UCLA fired Dorrell to hire who? Say it isn’t so Dan Guerrero…
UCLA fired Karl Dorrell to hire who? Please, don’t tell us that Dan Guerrero fired Karl Dorrell to hire Rick Neuheisel, but indeed that is what Rece Davis of ESPN has been saying all afternoon. As several members of Coaches Hot Seat sat around CHS Central tonight and watched the Patriots go 16-0, we were all still stunned that Neuheisel to UCLA is not some kind of crazy dream. A few of us here had the opportunity to interact with Neuheisel when he was the head coach at Colorado and Washington and our experiences with Neuheisel were consistent, and troubling. If you have ever met Bill Clinton in person, then you know exactly what it is like to meet and interact with Rick Neuheisel, and we always wonder with both men if they would not do or say anything to achieve their goals in life. In the press release announcing Neuheisel’s hiring Neuheisel says, “I made some mistakes earlier in my career and I take responsibility for those mistakes. I have learned from that experience and I would never do anything that would reflect negatively on UCLA.” Really? Since Neuheisel is a graduate and former football player at UCLA, he has already embarrassed his school dozens of times with his actions in his career, and now all of the sudden he has seen the light? Please, that is an absolutely outrageous statement to make when everyone knows that the only school around that would dare hire Neuheisel as a head football coach is UCLA. An even stranger thing from this hire is just who in the hell is now occupying Dan Guerrero’s body, because the Dan Guerrero we know would not tolerate someone in his organization that had committed the transgressions that Neuheisel has in his career. Of course, if one paid attention to the trial where the new UCLA head coach sued the University of Washington and the NCAA, one would find all kinds of troubling comments by Neuheisel and his former bosses over Neuheisel’s actions while at UW. Why in the world Dan Guerrero would want to hire someone at UCLA that has such a troubling past is absoultely stunning, but what may be even more incredible is that UCLA had few options but Rick Neuheisel. It is time to face facts: UCLA football is now nothing more than a marginal Pac-10 team that cannot draw more than scant attention from actual qualified candidates, and when UCLA got right down to it, the head coaching job was going to be offered to a current assistant coach who had 1 game of head coaching experience, a secondary coach for a NFL team, and Rick Neuheisel. That my friend is what a former resident of Beverly Hills, a Mr. Jed Clampett would call, “Pitiful, just pitiful.”
Why is UCLA such an unattractive job to people that would interest UCLA. You can start with the salary that UCLA is offering. Brian Dohn, the UCLA beat reporter for the LA Daily Breeze reports that Neuheisel will make $1.25 million per year. What? That is practically poverty wages in Los Angeles, and BankRate.com’s cost of living calculator tells us that if Nick Saban wanted to maintain the same standard of living that he has in Tuscaloosa, Alabama making $4 million, he would have to have a bump in pay to $7.1 million per year. Likewise Neuheisel’s $1.25 million salary at UCLA is worth around $700 K in most of America, and you cannot hire a first-rate coach for $700 K. To see just what a fantasy Mike Bellotti was for UCLA, the reported salary that Bellotti will be making in 2008 at Oregon is around $1.75 million, which would have to be around $2.4 million in order for him to keep the same standard of living in LA that he has in Eugene. There was not a chance in the world that Bellotti was going to move to LA, or that UCLA was ever going to pay a decent wage for this job. On top of all of this Tom Dienhart of the Sporting News reports that two things that are a must for UCLA to compete in the Pac-10: 1. Loosened admission standards; and 2. Increased pay for assistants are not going to happen. Who in the hell does UCLA think they are? Stanford? Cal has a number of players right now on their team that we have been told could not have gotten into UCLA, and if that is true then those loons in the UCLA admissions department need to join the rest of us on planet Earth. Yes, they are high and mighty when they are spouting their politically-correct crap on creating a more “diverse campus,” but when a football player shows up from a disadvantaged background who happens to not have grades that are equal to the rest of the student body, the PC people cannot be found. They believe that UCLA is too good to allow these marginal students into their precious school, but then we turn around and find out that those same kids are getting admitted at Cal? Please, the actions of the admissions department at UCLA are beyond hypocrisy and border on outright discrimination against kids that have a talent that is not playing a violin, dancing on a stage, or kissing everyone’s butt through high school to pad their college applications. No, these kids are not member of the glee club, but they happen to have the ability to play football, and if a kid can get cleared by the NCAA through their academic clearinghouse, then they should have the opportunity to attend a publicly supported state university. This has nothing to do with lowering standards, but rather the admissions people at UCLA coming to the realization that a kid that can throw a football is as valuable to an university as someone that can play the cello or has done nothing but stick his nose in books for four years of high school. Dozens of public universities prove every year that there is a place for athletes at their schools and just because a kid happens to play football, shouldn’t mean the admissions department dismisses them out of hand.
So where does all of this leave UCLA? They fired a mediocre football coach who was paid a below average salary, and they hired a guy that has a checkered past and they are paying him a below average wage. How nice for UCLA, because it now has the distinction of being one of the few major universities that continues to field a 2nd rate football program, and they have hired a man that no one here at Coaches Hot Seat would hire to coach our kids pee-wee teams. You see, we feel that people that coach our children should have some integrity and stand for something, and in our opinion Rick Neuheisel doesn’t meet that requirement. To be frank, we don’t trust the guy, and we cannot understand why UCLA believes he is going to act any different than he has in the past. No one else would have dared hire Rick Neuheisel for very real reasons, and one of the main reasons they did end up hiring Neuheisel was because UCLA is, let’s just go ahead and say it, INCREDIBLY CHEAP. Yes, UCLA is Costanza-type cheap, and is the kind of guy that always dodges paying the tab, and when it comes right down to it, they are rather proud about being cheap. How sad for both UCLA and it’s fans, because there is just no excuse for a school that has such a wealthy donor base to be paying their most public face such disgraceful wage, but we will let you in on a little secret…..There are a lot of people at UCLA that don’t want the football team to win big, and those people tonight have two things to crow about. The first is the fact that UCLA sacrificed its integrity to hire Neuheisel, and second that Neuheisel and his assistants will not be making a respectful wage. How pitiful that there are people jumping for joy at UCLA imagining the possibilities of disaster that might happen under Neuheisel at UCLA, and that those football bastards will not be making more than the pointed-head blowhards that don’t generate one penny in real revenue for the school. Pitiful, just pitiful.
UCLA Motto: “We hire 2nd rates coaches and pay them 2nd rate salaries so you don’t have to, and we are proud of it!”
Here is the UCLA 2008 Schedule:
| Fresno St Bulldogs | Aug 30 |
| Tennessee Volunteers | Sep 6 |
| at BYU Cougars | Sep 13 |
| Arizona Wildcats | Sep 27 |
| Washington State Cougars | Oct 4 |
| at Oregon Ducks | Oct 11 |
| Stanford Cardinal | Oct 18 |
| at California Bears | Oct 25 |
| Oregon State Beavers | Nov 8 |
| at Washington Huskies | Nov 15 |
| at Arizona State Sun Devils | Nov 22 |
| USC Trojans | Dec 6 |
We wonder what the over/under on how many wins for Neuheisel in 2008? We don’t see a “for sure” win on that schedule, so this might get very ugly in Westwood next year, and if it does you know exactly who to blame. That being the people that hired a guy in the head coaching position that if we drew up a list of 100 potential coaches for the UCLA job, he would not be on that list. To us that is just unexplainable.
We will have more on Neuheisel’s hiring in our Coaching Changes Analysis in the coming days.
Happy New Year to everyone!
This post is complete biased nonsense. Neuheisel received a $4.5 million wrongful termination settlement from Washington. The amount of this settlement is such that the jury found that Washington was completely in the wrong for firing Neuheisel, and goes beyond mere vindication for Neuheisel. While UCLA football has made horrible coaching hires like Karl Dorrell and Steve Lavin, hiring a proven winner like Neuheisel is a step in the right direction. He may not be the football Ben Howland, but he will put us back on a competitive level with USC, which was as lowly as UCLA is now, until they hired Pete Carroll, whose credentials were no better than Neuheisel’s. You will be eating your words. By the way, how hypocritical is it for you to call Bobby Petrino, who is also by all accounts one of the sleaziest and most dishonest people in the business, a great hire but bash Neuheisel without any legitimate grounds. You are hypocrites.
Ricks lawsuit with UW/NCAA had nothing to do with any violations, just wrongful termination. What people miss about the settlement is most of the money was the balance of his contract. UW violated their own rules in how to go about firing Rick, that is why he won. It wasn’t come great victory to clear his name. A leopard doesn’t change it’s spots, to think so is just wishful thinking.
RN may be another Bill Clinton. I haven’t met him personally like you guys have, so I can’t judge that. But I have read detailed analysis of his violations, all 51 of them, and frankly, they just prove to me what a crazy, upside down monarchy the NCAA is. Playing HORSE with a recruit is an illegal “tryout” for football? Saying goodbye to players is an illegal contact? Contacting a recruit in the “silent” period is illegal? What about getting up during rest time in Kindergarten? And major universities put up with this garbage? Unbelievable. Most importantly, none of the “violations” involved payouts or slush funds or fraud. Just ticky-tack administrative things. And for that you treat RN like a leper or serious felon. Give me a break. So don’t worry. DG will make sure he follows these BS rules, at least until the revolution throws off the yoke of the NCAA hypocrites.
Your point about Bill Clinton is so off-point it’s not even worth addressing. I could take a shot at George W. Bush, but again, it’s so off point it’s not worth it.
Regarding all RN’s years ago “violations”, they don’t even come close to what’s happening across town at Cheatey Petey’s USC program – the 100ks given to Reggie Bush, the neo-Nazi website, the criminal blotter so long it takes several pages to fill.
I’m a Bruins fan and I’m very happy with the choice. I do agree that it would be nice if UCLA had more money to throw around at potential candidates, but at the same time, to hold out UC Berkeley’s (I went undergrad to that institution) stunning deviation from their admission policy to let in illiterates is nothing to be proud 0f – I mean, they even let in Russell White, who couldn’t get admitted at USC.
Anyway, I’m sorry you don’t like our choice, but I think we’re going to see a big improvement in Westwood in the coming years.
UCLA was offering Bellotti 1.8 million (not quite on Alabama’s level, but definitely respectable), Neuheisel is getting paid 1.25 million because he was not the first choice, and he knows that he has to prove himself before the big raises come.
The issue of UCLA being cheap basically comes from a mindset that was perpetrated by a lineage of donors and administrators that started around Wooden’s time and consisted on a close-minded, elitist stance that resulted in the feeling that UCLA didn’t have to pay its coaches premium wages because the honor and prestige of being a UCLA head coach was payment enough. That mindset is now gone and steps in the right direction are finally being made.
Regarding the contract and economic considerations:
Firstly, it’s $1.25 plus $500,000 in bonuses.
Secondly, your economic analysis is somewhat simplistic; cost of living computations (straight multiplication of a person’s income in one city by the COL in another) versus what it takes to make a living in Los Angeles are completely different.
Thirdly, Neuheisel is probably a lot better off with the proceeds from his $4.5 million settlement than most of us are. He’s a bright guy and probably invested a good deal of what he netted from the law suit. What would you stiffs done with it? Blown it at a sports book in Vegas or bought lap dances?
Lastly, the agreement was struck between Neuheisel and UCLA and, unless Guerrero held a .44 to Rick’s head, the terms were mutually agreeable. Remember, contracts signed under duress are not enforceable.
As to the law suit, it was a settlement for $4.25 million. The NCAA participated in the suit precisely because it asserted that Neuheisel committed rules infractions.
Moreover, a close reading of the reportage of that suit’s settlement will reveal that the U of W was eager to pay their $500,000 part and scoot and the NCAA felt the case was going badly for their side because the jurors indicated they thought Neuheisel was getting jobbed. Several trial lawyers over on bruinsnation.com have offered this tidbit: they have seen smaller SETTLEMENTS (i.e., “make this go away”) in wrongful death suits. They speculate that the judgment against Neuheisel would have been much larger.
Totally agree with your take on Nue…what galls me is watching the media spout off that the gambling pool was some kind of petty “office pool”…that is Bull! There were thousands of dollars involved. Further, the guy lied to the NCAA. When asked directly by investigators about the allegations, he lied. He later said he really didn’t know what to do. Why not say “no comment, I would like to call my attorney”. He lied to the Husky AD Barbara Hedges. He lied to the media, but really a lot of coaches do that. He lied to a senior UW administrator in a private conversation which amounted to admonishment and direction to “clean up your act”. He single handedly put Colorado University on probation for numerous recruiting violations which elicited the dreaded “lack of institutional control”. It wasn’t like he learned his lesson after going to Washington. The recruiting violations continued and he was admonished by his peers, college coaches of the USA. After looking at all this history, what is ucla thinking?!
This column is laughable, not for its probably accurate picture of Neuheisel, but for its silly outrage over “low wages” and sullied comments about kids who read books. Sorry, but this post is most convincing in its ability to prove just how out of whack our priorities around sports have become. Please. It’s time to grow up.
I’m a 50 year fan of UW Football. There’s been some good times and some not so great – but there’s always been the love.
It was percieved, after Jim Lambright won at a .650 clip for some five years (this coming in a time that Washington was going through some of the most harsh penalties handed down by the NCAA and Pac-10), that the Husky program was going in the wrong direction and a coaching change became eminant (OPPS!!!).
Good-bye Jim – Hello Rick. Folks in Seattle were elated while Colorado fans were calling our sports radio programs warning us to get ready for the fallout.
The fact that the Huskies went 10-1 and won the Rose Bowl in his first year as Coach, did not hurt his reputation and it certainly earned him some wiggle room when he started hitting the speedbumps.
In a previous post someone mentioned how seemingly minor some of the NCAA infractions were.
Please keep in mind the volitile situation Washington was in. We had just spent three years on probation – we were suffering from scholarship reductions – no Bowl games – we considered changing our school colors from Purple and Gold to Black and Blue. We NEEDED someone to put us back on track – get us back to 1992.
Instead of the rock solid program we hoped an prayed for – we ended up with being affraid what was going to happen next. It seemed like every week we were hearing something else had gone wrong.
To be fair – I also thought that his termination for “gambling” was a joke and Washington should have paid off his contract after terminating him for that reason.
But – did he deserve to get fired? Absolutely. You just can’t look the AD and School President in the face and lie.
This is what he did right before “Office-Pool-Gate” leeked out, when he lied about interviewing for the 49er job.
This, coupled with all the other things that NEVER seemed to stop, it was time for RN to go.
To all my friends at UCLA, I can honestly say that he was very likeable and seemed sincere when asked pointed questions. He is also a great spokesman (try and read the comments he made at the funeral of Curtis Williams). But it dosen’t last – so protect your loyalty – cheerish your integrity and brush up on your reading – he’ll keep your local reporters busy!
You guys at college hot seat are a joke! Your article on Rick Neuheisel and the economics of living in LA is just plain stupid. UCLA is now on it’s way to being a major player in the Pac 10 again and after Walker and Chow join Rick look out. I hope you guys write another article a couple of years from now admitting how wrong you were about this hire. Neuheisel is a good man who has made mistakes but we all have. I am sure that you sleaze balls have done far worst things in your life than playing horse with a recruit or betting on a basketball game!
Geez, tell us what you really think! This site must be run by a Cal fan (and how did Tedford finish this year?)
True, UCLA should not win more than half its games next year based on the number of starters leaving. But I’m sending in my money to the Wooden Fund today so I can get good season tickets for next year. I suspect many will be doing the same.
FWIW, a list of pac 10 coaches salaries from 2005
Pete Carroll $2,782320
Mike Bellotti $1,101,000
Dirk Koetter $950,000
Ty Willingham $664,768
Mike Stoops $415,000
Mike Riley $410,000
Bill Doba $229,067
Karl Dorrell $181,000
Jeff Tedford $167,500
Walt Harris NA
These are from USA Today. Salaries only, no “other income” or bonuses. Tedford, for example made $1,337,800 in “other income.” Is that from the alumni?
As much as it pains me to agree with someone whose handle is “rightwingrick”, this column truly displays the pathetic state of priorities in this country. I’m a huge sports fan and a committed supporter of my school’s (Cal) athletics programs. But your assertion that “a kid that can throw a football is as valuable to an university as someone that can play the cello or has done nothing but stick his nose in books for four years of high school” is laughable at best and despicable at worst. I actually happen to agree with Cal’s decision to give admission to some athletes who meet NCAA minimums. I think all of society benefits by athletes from underprivileged backgrounds being given a shot at a top tier education when they otherwise might not get into any 4 year college….as long as the football program is doing its due diligence and making sure the athletes actually are succeeding in school. The latter part is what many football programs do a pathetically poor job of.
Universities do not exist to train football players. They exist to further the education of all members of society. Just because college football has become the de facto minor leagues for the NFL, does not make it right. Just because football is a major revenue source (one that is almost always equaled by its expense), does not make football any where near as important as the academic goals of the universities. Sports are a worthwhile commitment for someone who chooses to pursue them but are totally secondary to a student’s classroom education.
Equating a person’s ability to play a sport with the dedicated pursuit of high level education is a complete joke. It is tantamount to encouraging ignorance and supporting the continued degradation of the education system in this country.
Society is not advanced because of guys running around a field throwing a ball. Society IS advanced by scientists, writers, artists, musicians, historians, economists, judges, and most of all teachers. THESE are the people that work to better our society and improve the quality of life for all through intellectual exploration and analysis. Your argument is based on the notion that because football brings lots of money, that it is as important as any other field of study. It’s a sad state of affairs that many people would agree with you.
Like Rick said, it’s time to grow up.
Cal sucks so bad that they need to lower their admissions standards to find football players. Sure, Tedford gets a ton of positive media hype. He has yet to see the Cal Band march in the Tournament of Roses Parade. Until Cal wins the Pac-10, please do not draw any comparisons between them and us.
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